Coding Obesity--What are your thoughts on this??

This is a response to the nurse coding the patient with obesity. "The POC is complete and we will NOT be reopening it OR calling the MD for verification on the obesity. It will be just fine as we can calculate the BMI based on the Oasis height and weight. Use the BMI calculator on the internet! This patient's obesity will affect/impact her POC, and that is what we are concerned with and that is why we are using it. The PT assessment and clinical assessment by me (case manager) makes it NOT necessary to call the physician to ask them if the patient is Obese, it is Evident that she is. Once the MD signs the POC we will have the signed documentation to support all our diagnosis codes. I can assure you the MD will be happy to sign her 485/POC with obesity on it, because she IS in fact Obese! Based on Oasis conventions and based and the CLINICAL assessment it will be left, it is within the guidelines (legal) to code this way. Besides it is just a supporting diagnosis that is not a payor code.

Comments

  • Not sure why this was sent to the coding chat..but "obesity" itself is a medical diagnosis and a coder is not permitted to code "obesity" without a verified diagnosis. Who knows, it could change in the future. However, the BMI may be calculated and coded without physician approval.

    Andrea Michelle Smith, BSN, RN, COS-C, BCHH-C
  • Katherine,

    First, it sounds like this clinician has either had a very bad day or they
    need some intervention by the appropriate supervisor for this poor attitude
    and response to you trying to do your job. I would definitely let him/her
    know that it is not acceptable to communicate with you in this manner and
    that an apology is owed.
    Second, from my 2017 Decision Health manual: "When assigning a code for
    any overweight, obesity, or morbid obesity, physician documentation
    indicating obesity as a diagnosis is required. If suspected, but not
    present, the coder may query the provider to obtain confirmation of the
    condition, but may not code obesity without confirmation from the
    provider. BMI may be calculated and coded based upon nursing documentation
    alone and calculated BMI may be coded alone without a diagnosis of
    obesity. The coder can use the Z68 codes for BMI based on calculations by
    other clinicians." So your clinician is incorrect in his/her assertion
    that you can enter an obesity code without the Dx coming from the MD.
    Another apology owed!

    I'm sorry you have to put up with this type of personality and hope you
    don't run into this clinician too often!

    Regards,
    Karla






    *Karla Gambrill PT, DPTClinical Coordinator of Therapy ServicesHMC Home
    Health(908) 788-6672*
  • Thank you Karla! Not a bad day, she was just hired as new case manager and the owner states that we have to trust the nurses and case manager and I am not to question or change any codes from now on. They do not need a certified coder, they seem to have it under control in their minds. Patient's have been coded with CA with no definite diagnosis from the MD when only stated as a mass. Glad I keep good documentation.
  • Thanks. These are the things I tried to explain but is taken with little value. K Moss, CPC, HCS-D
  • Silence is the same as consent from the owner/supervisor's standpoint. If
    they are refusing to speak to that clinician, they are condoning this
    terrible culture in the agency. Are you contracted with this company or an
    employee? If employed, it may be time to look for another position.
    Please don't let yourself be treated like this (especially since you're in
    the right!). You deserve to be heard and respected for your area of
    expertise - even if you don't have "RN" after your name. I've received
    similar feedback at times (along the lines of "the clinician says it x so
    that's what you should code") and I just have to refuse to be bullied. I
    use email so that everything is written down and say something like "just
    to clarify: the coding guidelines state xyz and you are directing me to
    code abc instead?" I'll happily code whatever they want, as long as I have
    that documentation that I'm following the regulations.






    *Karla Gambrill PT, DPTClinical Coordinator of Therapy ServicesHMC Home
    Health(908) 788-6672*
  • I have a copy of everything that I have coded since day one. Thanks for the uplifting note. I have no mentors in coding in my small community, we do have AAPC meetings but everyone knows everyone. Sometimes just need a little reassurance. Have a happy Wednesday!
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